Cognetti
Now, 70-something years later, some things haven’t changed. It’s still a very coveted spot to get a residency. Some things have changed. The process to get a residency position is a little different than a phone call. It’s very competitive and we’ve grown tremendously. Instead of one or two residents, we have 25 residents per year. We have several clinical fellowships now – we’ve really expanded.
You clearly built an incredible legacy. Let’s talk about how you embarked on your career with what you learned at Jefferson.
Kean
I finished my residency ... and was recruited by the people at Hahnemann a few blocks away to build their department of ear, nose, and throat.
In 1969, they asked me to come back to Jefferson for plastic surgery. Why did they want me for plastic surgery? I took the first rhinoplasty course that was offered. I went someplace; we had a two-week course. Then I took a course in soft tissue. So, after two weeks, I was ready to start a plastic surgery department at Jefferson.
Cognetti
It’s amazing to hear the beginnings of it – to learn that you learned it in a two-week course, because as you know, that doesn’t happen anymore. Because of your influence and generosity, we have one of the best facial plastics fellowships in the country. That fellowship is a year long now, not two weeks. You’ve had a tremendous impact not only on the program ... All of our residents who are going into facial plastic surgery is because of the inspiration that you set out years ago.
Kean
When Dale Lowry [Dale Lowry, MD, who became chairman of the Department of Otolaryngology in 1980] came in, I said, “Wow, Dale is a good person. We have these residents, we have to keep this program going.” And you could tell by the quality of residents who apply how your program is. We were starting to get good applicants.
Then Bill Keane [William M. Keane, MD, who joined Jefferson as chair of the Department of Otolaryngology – Head and Neck Surgery in 1991] came along and I thought, “Oh my goodness. That’s competition. He’ll want to get rid of me. So, I had a talk with Bill, and he said, “You just keep doing what you’re doing ...” and so I stayed until I couldn’t stay anymore. I had a spinal cord injury, and I lost the feeling in the fingers, and I stopped practicing. But I was ready to stop. I think I was 69 or 70. And that’s when Bill came in and really took it to the next level. Bill Keane was really top-notch.
One day, Bill came over to me and said, “Herb, come, I want to show you something.” And he showed me the unfinished seventh floor ... there was nothing there. I said, “What are you going to do with this?” He says, “We’re going to make this into a plastic surgery center.” So, I said, “You know, I will help you with this.”
And we had two young kids, Krein and Heffelfinger [Howard Krein, MD ’00, RES ’02 and ’06, PhD ’00, director of the Herbert Kean Center for Facial Aesthetics, and Ryan Heffelfinger, MD ’00, RES ’05, director of the Division of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery and Head & Neck Microvascular Surgery], so I gave them money to help with their salaries.